Porsche scales back EV sales

[Col Lamb]

Back to Col's point on battery history. Attached is a screenshot from my Tesla App showing the different sources of charge. I had some long distance trips so used the Superchargers so each car has a history and there is a battery service menu so you can look up the health (much as on an iphone). You have no equivalent on an ICE so have no idea if it has been ragged rotten (ie a PEC Car) or had somebody look after it. By the way that £51 cost on the app is for 3500 miles driven.

FWIW my Macan was a cash purchase outright and the Tesla is on a Salary Sacrifice for 3yr/50k miles at £430 net including maint and insurance. If I want the same car from Tesla direct it is about £530 with no downpayment but also no maint and no insurance. So the company deal is good but it is not night and day different. That AA lease deal is criminally overpriced.

1/2 charging via Superchargers.

Zero interest from me in buying any EV where the batteries have been subjected to massive charging loads so often.

[Col Lamb]

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[New User]

1/2 charging via Superchargers.

Zero interest from me in buying any EV where the batteries have been subjected to massive charging loads so often.

Fair enough Col but it is not for sale. The extensive use of superchargers is discouraged by the car software - only recommending enough top up to get you to a home or destination charge. Filling it up at superchargers is frowned upon. The charge rate is only high below 50% battery capacity then it throttles back progressively down to the same as a home charge. If you dont program to stop at a supercharger then it also slows down charging as your battery is not preconditioned. I dont know how Porsche's battery systems work with third party chargers but assume it has some protections. It is why the battery health in the service menu is probably more relevant for EV condition.

[Moriarty]

Interestingly, the August UK car registration data was released today and for the month the share of battery EV sales was 22.6%. That’s the first month BEV sales have hit this year’s 22% UK quota. Year-to-date is still only 17.2% (up slightly from 16.4% last year), so the industry is still very far away from reaching the quota. If you strip out the EV-only manufacturers like Tesla then the mainstream auto manufacturers hit 18.8% BEV sales in August - well short of their quota still, but much better than the 14.5% year-to-date share.

Strangely, this happened despite a 25% decrease in Tesla sales in August. BYD picked up some of those lost sales but mostly they must have gone to mainstream manufacturers.

Anyway, it’s only one month and there’s still no hope of automakers hitting their 2024 quotas (let alone being on track for the 28% quota next year), but BEV sales did pick up a bit in August in spite of Tesla losing market share.

By the way, Porsche is still really struggling and August was a very bad month. Their August sales were 42% lower than last year - much worse even than the 29% drop for the year-to-date. Let’s hope they have a lot of Macan EV orders in the pipeline for delivery later in the year.

[SAC1]

August is a low month for sales- factory holidays, people on holiday and waiting for the new registration plate for September [74 now].

Interesting how well HEV salesare doing this year. No need to plug in, EV in town and big mpg....the sort of consumption you'd only get with a diesel in the past.

We're converts - 60.3 mpg in 8 months [from brand new] so filling up just once a month. No fiddling around with charging cables at home / finding a working public charger. Silent running in town and rapid acceleration. Considerably cheaper to buy than an equivalent model BEV too.

[Scooby_Doo]

By the way, Porsche is still really struggling and August was a very bad month. Their August sales were 42% lower than last year - much worse even than the 29% drop for the year-to-date. Let’s hope they have a lot of Macan EV orders in the pipeline for delivery later in the year.

My son turned up this morning in a well specced Taycan 4S , business lease, 10 months old 1500 miles ,which he tells me was £72 k.

[DJMCUK]

Volvo scales back EV production:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 39434o.amp

[SAC1]

Press report today:

"Porsche was aiming for 80 per cent of sales to be all-electric by 2030, will now continue to develop and push combustion engine technology
Just last month, Porsche admitted that its transition to electric cars was “taking longer than we thought five years ago”, according to a statement, claiming that it could only still deliver on its promises should customer demand exist and the wider "development of electro-mobility".

Instead, the company will continue with its 'double strategy', which essentially means pushing on with the development of the internal combustion engine in line with increasing levels of electrification.

This means that some Porsche model lines, which were tipped to become pure EV, will now see petrol and hybrid versions live on long beyond their proposed retirement dates.

However, the move isn’t just a Porsche issue, as fellow German giant Mercedes-Benz also scrapped its 2030 pure EV targets in favor of combustion engine and hybrid models, which it says it will continue to sell into the next decade."

[Moriarty]

Press report today:

"Porsche was aiming for 80 per cent of sales to be all-electric by 2030, will now continue to develop and push combustion engine technology
Just last month, Porsche admitted that its transition to electric cars was “taking longer than we thought five years ago”, according to a statement, claiming that it could only still deliver on its promises should customer demand exist and the wider "development of electro-mobility".

Instead, the company will continue with its 'double strategy', which essentially means pushing on with the development of the internal combustion engine in line with increasing levels of electrification.

This means that some Porsche model lines, which were tipped to become pure EV, will now see petrol and hybrid versions live on long beyond their proposed retirement dates.

However, the move isn’t just a Porsche issue, as fellow German giant Mercedes-Benz also scrapped its 2030 pure EV targets in favor of combustion engine and hybrid models, which it says it will continue to sell into the next decade."

I’ll take this as confirmation of a V8 Gen 4 Macan in the works. Great news.

[Col Lamb]

Press report today:

"Porsche was aiming for 80 per cent of sales to be all-electric by 2030, will now continue to develop and push combustion engine technology
Just last month, Porsche admitted that its transition to electric cars was “taking longer than we thought five years ago”, according to a statement, claiming that it could only still deliver on its promises should customer demand exist and the wider "development of electro-mobility".

Instead, the company will continue with its 'double strategy', which essentially means pushing on with the development of the internal combustion engine in line with increasing levels of electrification.

This means that some Porsche model lines, which were tipped to become pure EV, will now see petrol and hybrid versions live on long beyond their proposed retirement dates.

However, the move isn’t just a Porsche issue, as fellow German giant Mercedes-Benz also scrapped its 2030 pure EV targets in favor of combustion engine and hybrid models, which it says it will continue to sell into the next decade."

Great news.

I cannot help but think that in the short term with the principle aim of reducing Town and City pollution then Hybrid may well be the way to go.