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Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm
by Pivot
Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:32 pm
by Wing Commander
Sweetmeister wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:07 pm
Isleaiw wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:54 pm
Sweetmeister wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am

If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
But how do you know if you can afford to overpay until life happens? I take 4 years in the forlorn hope I might keep it that long, I throw spare cash in to reduce amount outstanding as it happens and then I probably decide to buy a new car way too early. If all I wanted to do was save money I wouldnt buy an expensive car in the first place!

And its no good the car being worth more if I owe more, and no good it being worth more if I want to buy it out at the end. I've decided that cars are a waste, the scientific way to waste less is not buy one, or buy and keep forever, but I know the reality is I will buy and I will swap too often. So in that scheme of things, whilst still giving me flexibility should the backside fall out of my work world, I buy on 4 years, pay down when I have cash doing nothing, and accept its an expensive hobby full stop....
I know how much my monthly income is every month, so I and probably most people know if they can overpay or not, if you are unsure of your monthly income every month don’t take out a pcp. It’s not about saving money, it’s about paying as little as possible in interest. A lot also depends on the deposit put down.
If you want to buy the car at the end,don’t take out a pcp! I thought everybody knew that! It’s the most expensive way to buy a car. :D

Are you retired & on a guaranteed pension? If not, can any of us say that we know exactly what our income will be each month for the next 2, 3, 4 years...? ;) Aren’t the good old days of a ‘guaranteed job for life’ over now? I’ve just celebrated 36 years with my employer, but nearly everyone says to me that’s very much the exception in this day and age. :geek:

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:36 pm
by Wing Commander
Pivot wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?

I think the trick is, if you have cash lying around, use that, as it’s currently enjoying a negative real rate of return. Borrow as little as possible. Go for the lowest interest rate you can find. Pay it back as quickly as possible. ;)

I guess the only other aspect to consider is the concept of the guaranteed future value that’s offered by PCP type of arrangements... 🤔

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 pm
by alians1109
I’m in the same ‘club’ as you Simon…. 41 years with same employer and still going :D :D

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:47 pm
by Pivot
Wing Commander wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:36 pm
Pivot wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?

I think the trick is, if you have cash lying around, use that, as it’s currently enjoying a negative real rate of return. Borrow as little as possible. Go for the lowest interest rate you can find. Pay it back as quickly as possible. ;)

I guess the only other aspect to consider is the concept of the guaranteed future value that’s offered by PCP type of arrangements... 🤔

Aha! That’s what GFV stands for… currently second hand values are high, but who knows what the future holds, so guarantee might be useful.

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:49 pm
by alians1109
Pivot wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?
That’s what I’m doing. 40% deposit and the rest on HP. You may want to consider splitting them loan element as interest rates for loans of less than £25k are 2.8% (TSB) and above 25k it’s 7.8%

Worth looking at that option

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 pm
by Wing Commander
alians1109 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 pm I’m in the same ‘club’ as you Simon…. 41 years with same employer and still going :D :D

Congrats! :D :D

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:04 pm
by Neil1911
Wing Commander wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 pm
alians1109 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 pm I’m in the same ‘club’ as you Simon…. 41 years with same employer and still going :D :D

Congrats! :D :D
A dieing breed, I jacked it in on 23 April 2019 after 44 years, 6mths and 3 days. Only started counting after the 40th year :)
I keep telling anybody that'll listen to learn from my mistake as it's better to have more retirement and less money the t'other way around.

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:06 pm
by Bazza06
Neil1911 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:04 pm
Wing Commander wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 pm
alians1109 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 pm I’m in the same ‘club’ as you Simon…. 41 years with same employer and still going :D :D

Congrats! :D :D
A dieing breed, I jacked it in on 23 April 2019 after 44 years, 6mths and 3 days. Only started counting after the 40th year :)
I keep telling anybody that'll listen to learn from my mistake as it's better to have more retirement and less money the t'other way around.
I imagine it's also important when retired to keep active and have routines.
I know a few people who retired and just fritter the days away, often not knowing what day it is.

Re: Ballon values...

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:30 pm
by SAC1
I retired at 60 yrs having spent 39.5 yrs with the same company. Of the many pieces of sage advice I was given at the time, the one that I adhere to is "never go to bed without knowing what you're going to do the next day". As a minimum forward plan. Works for me.😉