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Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm
by Pivot
Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:32 pm
by Wing Commander
Sweetmeister wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:07 pm
Isleaiw wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:54 pm
Sweetmeister wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term.
But how do you know if you can afford to overpay until life happens? I take 4 years in the forlorn hope I might keep it that long, I throw spare cash in to reduce amount outstanding as it happens and then I probably decide to buy a new car way too early. If all I wanted to do was save money I wouldnt buy an expensive car in the first place!
And its no good the car being worth more if I owe more, and no good it being worth more if I want to buy it out at the end. I've decided that cars are a waste, the scientific way to waste less is not buy one, or buy and keep forever, but I know the reality is I will buy and I will swap too often. So in that scheme of things, whilst still giving me flexibility should the backside fall out of my work world, I buy on 4 years, pay down when I have cash doing nothing, and accept its an expensive hobby full stop....
I know how much my monthly income is every month, so I and probably most people know if they can overpay or not, if you are unsure of your monthly income every month don’t take out a pcp. It’s not about saving money, it’s about paying as little as possible in interest. A lot also depends on the deposit put down.
If you want to buy the car at the end,don’t take out a pcp! I thought everybody knew that! It’s the most expensive way to buy a car.
Are you retired & on a guaranteed pension? If not, can any of us say that we know exactly what our income will be each month for the next 2, 3, 4 years...?
Aren’t the good old days of a ‘guaranteed job for life’ over now? I’ve just celebrated 36 years with my employer, but nearly everyone says to me that’s very much the exception in this day and age.
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:36 pm
by Wing Commander
Pivot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm
Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?
I think the trick is, if you have cash lying around, use that, as it’s currently enjoying a negative real rate of return. Borrow as little as possible. Go for the lowest interest rate you can find. Pay it back as quickly as possible.
I guess the only other aspect to consider is the concept of the guaranteed future value that’s offered by PCP type of arrangements...
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:46 pm
by alians1109
I’m in the same ‘club’ as you Simon…. 41 years with same employer and still going
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:47 pm
by Pivot
Wing Commander wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:36 pm
Pivot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm
Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?
I think the trick is, if you have cash lying around, use that, as it’s currently enjoying a negative real rate of return. Borrow as little as possible. Go for the lowest interest rate you can find. Pay it back as quickly as possible.
I guess the only other aspect to consider is the concept of the guaranteed future value that’s offered by PCP type of arrangements...
Aha! That’s what GFV stands for… currently second hand values are high, but who knows what the future holds, so guarantee might be useful.
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:49 pm
by alians1109
Pivot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:28 pm
Fascinating discussion. I am planning to put down 40-50% deposit with HP agreement, which gives me manageable repayments and I own the vehicle at the end. Am I missing a trick somewhere?
That’s what I’m doing. 40% deposit and the rest on HP. You may want to consider splitting them loan element as interest rates for loans of less than £25k are 2.8% (TSB) and above 25k it’s 7.8%
Worth looking at that option
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:06 pm
by Wing Commander
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:04 pm
by Neil1911
A dieing breed, I jacked it in on 23 April 2019 after 44 years, 6mths and 3 days. Only started counting after the 40th year
I keep telling anybody that'll listen to learn from my mistake as it's better to have more retirement and less money the t'other way around.
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:06 pm
by Bazza06
Neil1911 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:04 pm
A dieing breed, I jacked it in on 23 April 2019 after 44 years, 6mths and 3 days. Only started counting after the 40th year
I keep telling anybody that'll listen to learn from my mistake as it's better to have more retirement and less money the t'other way around.
I imagine it's also important when retired to keep active and have routines.
I know a few people who retired and just fritter the days away, often not knowing what day it is.
Re: Ballon values...
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:30 pm
by SAC1
I retired at 60 yrs having spent 39.5 yrs with the same company. Of the many pieces of sage advice I was given at the time, the one that I adhere to is "never go to bed without knowing what you're going to do the next day". As a minimum forward plan. Works for me.