Ballon values...

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Armyaxl
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Post by Armyaxl » Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:47 pm

on GTS, balloon was 42k. so 6k above S sounds right.

Sweetmeister
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Post by Sweetmeister » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am

Isleaiw wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:48 pm
hood69 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:26 pm
Most people want the balloon high to keep monthlies low but if you would rather higher higher monthlies and lower balloon payment then surely just increase your mileage to the maximum allowed.
Or just over pay every month. You may want a realistic GFV so you have protection of that floor should the arse fall out of used car values, but want to keep your interest down by getting towards the GFV sooner - so set it accurately but overpay either monthly or regular lump sums. 15 months in I only owe the GFV plus £5k now....and the interest of course!
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
Macan S on order in Black. Leather and 21’ GT`s.That’s all I’ve decided at the mo! :D

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Post by Jon A » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:57 am

Sweetmeister wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am
Isleaiw wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:48 pm
hood69 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:26 pm
Most people want the balloon high to keep monthlies low but if you would rather higher higher monthlies and lower balloon payment then surely just increase your mileage to the maximum allowed.
Or just over pay every month. You may want a realistic GFV so you have protection of that floor should the arse fall out of used car values, but want to keep your interest down by getting towards the GFV sooner - so set it accurately but overpay either monthly or regular lump sums. 15 months in I only owe the GFV plus £5k now....and the interest of course!
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
Yes you’re right - I have it over three years as was cheaper (monthly) than four years in any event 👍
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Isleaiw
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Post by Isleaiw » Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:54 pm

Sweetmeister wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am
Isleaiw wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:48 pm
hood69 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:26 pm
Most people want the balloon high to keep monthlies low but if you would rather higher higher monthlies and lower balloon payment then surely just increase your mileage to the maximum allowed.
Or just over pay every month. You may want a realistic GFV so you have protection of that floor should the arse fall out of used car values, but want to keep your interest down by getting towards the GFV sooner - so set it accurately but overpay either monthly or regular lump sums. 15 months in I only owe the GFV plus £5k now....and the interest of course!
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
But how do you know if you can afford to overpay until life happens? I take 4 years in the forlorn hope I might keep it that long, I throw spare cash in to reduce amount outstanding as it happens and then I probably decide to buy a new car way too early. If all I wanted to do was save money I wouldnt buy an expensive car in the first place!

And its no good the car being worth more if I owe more, and no good it being worth more if I want to buy it out at the end. I've decided that cars are a waste, the scientific way to waste less is not buy one, or buy and keep forever, but I know the reality is I will buy and I will swap too often. So in that scheme of things, whilst still giving me flexibility should the backside fall out of my work world, I buy on 4 years, pay down when I have cash doing nothing, and accept its an expensive hobby full stop....

Isleaiw
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Post by Isleaiw » Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:55 pm

Jon A wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:57 am
Sweetmeister wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am
Isleaiw wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:48 pm


Or just over pay every month. You may want a realistic GFV so you have protection of that floor should the arse fall out of used car values, but want to keep your interest down by getting towards the GFV sooner - so set it accurately but overpay either monthly or regular lump sums. 15 months in I only owe the GFV plus £5k now....and the interest of course!
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
Yes you’re right - I have it over three years as was cheaper (monthly) than four years in any event 👍
Really? wasnt with either of my last 3 cars. That suggests that year 4 depreciation is higher than the average for the first 3 years.... which would suggest people dont want Porsche's without a warranty!

Sweetmeister
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Post by Sweetmeister » Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:07 pm

Isleaiw wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:54 pm
Sweetmeister wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am
Isleaiw wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:48 pm


Or just over pay every month. You may want a realistic GFV so you have protection of that floor should the arse fall out of used car values, but want to keep your interest down by getting towards the GFV sooner - so set it accurately but overpay either monthly or regular lump sums. 15 months in I only owe the GFV plus £5k now....and the interest of course!
If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
But how do you know if you can afford to overpay until life happens? I take 4 years in the forlorn hope I might keep it that long, I throw spare cash in to reduce amount outstanding as it happens and then I probably decide to buy a new car way too early. If all I wanted to do was save money I wouldnt buy an expensive car in the first place!

And its no good the car being worth more if I owe more, and no good it being worth more if I want to buy it out at the end. I've decided that cars are a waste, the scientific way to waste less is not buy one, or buy and keep forever, but I know the reality is I will buy and I will swap too often. So in that scheme of things, whilst still giving me flexibility should the backside fall out of my work world, I buy on 4 years, pay down when I have cash doing nothing, and accept its an expensive hobby full stop....
I know how much my monthly income is every month, so I and probably most people know if they can overpay or not, if you are unsure of your monthly income every month don’t take out a pcp. It’s not about saving money, it’s about paying as little as possible in interest. A lot also depends on the deposit put down.
If you want to buy the car at the end,don’t take out a pcp! I thought everybody knew that! It’s the most expensive way to buy a car. :D
Macan S on order in Black. Leather and 21’ GT`s.That’s all I’ve decided at the mo! :D

Isleaiw
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Post by Isleaiw » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:09 pm

Sweetmeister wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:07 pm
Isleaiw wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:54 pm
Sweetmeister wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:52 am


If you can afford to overpay then the best option is to opt for a shorter term, you’ll pay less interest and the car will be worth more. There’s no point taking a 4 year term and overpaying if you can afford to take a 3 or even 2 year term. :D
But how do you know if you can afford to overpay until life happens? I take 4 years in the forlorn hope I might keep it that long, I throw spare cash in to reduce amount outstanding as it happens and then I probably decide to buy a new car way too early. If all I wanted to do was save money I wouldnt buy an expensive car in the first place!

And its no good the car being worth more if I owe more, and no good it being worth more if I want to buy it out at the end. I've decided that cars are a waste, the scientific way to waste less is not buy one, or buy and keep forever, but I know the reality is I will buy and I will swap too often. So in that scheme of things, whilst still giving me flexibility should the backside fall out of my work world, I buy on 4 years, pay down when I have cash doing nothing, and accept its an expensive hobby full stop....
I know how much my monthly income is every month, so I and probably most people know if they can overpay or not, if you are unsure of your monthly income every month don’t take out a pcp. It’s not about saving money, it’s about paying as little as possible in interest. A lot also depends on the deposit put down.
If you want to buy the car at the end,don’t take out a pcp! I thought everybody knew that! It’s the most expensive way to buy a car. :D
I know what my income is going to be every month, I dont know what my bonus will be every year, I dont know how much I'll waste on a holiday, how much I'll gift my kids as they make their way in the grown up world, and how much I will shovel into pensions and other sensible investments like ISAs. So I never know how much I will have spare...

And I never set out to buy it at the end. But life takes strange turns and events so who knows, last two have lasted 23 months and 11 months, current one is up to 14 months but I have no idea if it will go after 15, 24, 36, 48 or longer..... who'd want a life that was that predictable!

Joe390
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Post by Joe390 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:11 am

Locked our build for Macan S yesterday. OPC confirmed GFV had increased from £29k (4 years, 12k miles) up to around £33K.

Seems when the original quote was done in August, the GFV was based on the Gen 2 as they didn’t have the new Gen 3 residuals in place, hence the change.

Plus OPC honoured original price (prior to increase) as well as the lower interest rates as the credit check had been run back in August too. Seems any car built post 1st June will be subject to new price increase. Hopefully the above is useful for some due to lock their build next few weeks!

Skyway
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Post by Skyway » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:26 am

When you consider the end value though don’t forget to add in the massive chunk of interest you’ve paid. If it’s doable you’re better off funding a chunk with a bank loan which are generally half the cost of a PCP.

alians1109
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Post by alians1109 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:17 pm

Skyway wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:26 am
When you consider the end value though don’t forget to add in the massive chunk of interest you’ve paid. If it’s doable you’re better off funding a chunk with a bank loan which are generally half the cost of a PCP.
That's exactly what I'm looking at doing.

In fact I'm going to take out 2 personal loans and not do PCP at all. If I do it with 2 loans (the interest rate is much lower for loans of £25k or below (2.8%) which is why 2), I am saving over £5k vs using PCP and paying the balloon at the end.

Sure it's a fair bit more per month, but if you intend on owning the car and can afford it you can save a lot on interest and the overall amount paid.

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